20 Nov 2024 14:14:13
I doubt that any of the people who use this platform will have ever been in a milking parlour, well I have. I used to help out a dear friend of mine who is a season ticket holder in the Trent end. Over the Xmas period so he could get finished early to get some time in with his family. Well let me tell you it's not a pleasant experience, you're ankle deep in cow slurry and you won't escape being crapped on during the milking process. Milking takes place twice a day 365 days a year. I can't remark on arable farming but dairy farmers work till they fall and get paid a pittance for their graft from the supermarkets. They have every right to be angry.
20 Nov 2024 14:42:13
Proud of ya redvale sir. And very well said mate.
20 Nov 2024 15:08:56
Thanks bowiered, I was a lorry driver at the time and I thought that was hard graft but two hours in a milking parlour twice a day is unbelievably hard. They said you don’t hear the gunshot that kills you, but you do hear the cow cough that sh…ts on you. Believe me. Thanks again mate.
20 Nov 2024 15:13:42
I've been to a milk shake parlour.
That was a pleasant experience with a big mac chaser ??.
20 Nov 2024 16:26:32
I’ve always had a lot of time for farmers Vale. I live in the wilds of Staffordshire and all the surrounding farmland is owned by the Duke of Stafford. His tenants are kept just afloat whilst he is awash in wealth and although he has a huge mansion about 5 miles away his main residence is in London and abroad. He should definately be subject to inheritance tax at top rate as should all his ilk ( and Clarkson).
My mate and neighbourGeorge is a tenant farmer ( whose farm is half a mile from me. He is a “cow man” but survives by having several other jobs ( ie logs supplies, hedge trimming, tree felling, organising pheasant shoots, Police liaison for injured animals etc) He and his family should definitely NOT be subject to inheritance tax.
The Government have absolutely no clue and have been deceitful as neither this or pensioners fuel heating allowance was mentioned in their manifesto. Labour have basically also given the Tories 2 big sticks to beat them with. They alienated the rural and pensioners vote within a few months of gaining power. Badenoch has already seized upon both and promised to scrap them if the Tories come back into Government. It rare to score 2 spectacular own goals in a match but Labour have managed it….
20 Nov 2024 16:30:42
There are many unpleasant jobs but tax has to be paid, there are two certainties in life Death and Taxes, farmers will get Ono sympathy from me, retired and still paying tax but then when I need the NHS I know why we pay them.
Most farmers are Tories, it’s just a way to try and undermine the new Government, agriculture workers are usually very poorly paid, it’s them get the rough end of the stick.
Their complaints are mostly unjustified, poor me!
CARLO.
20 Nov 2024 17:00:10
worked at a milking farm many years ago mainlyweekends to give the owners a rest and they earned it but they are not the farmers this is aimed at. they still run the farm and aiiow caravan and motorhome parking plus camping and bee keeping all his male calves go off to France, and he shoots off to Austria to ski, he earns it and good look to him nothing will change there.
20 Nov 2024 17:03:02
Good comment Carlo and don't mention milk to me. thatcher stole mine booooooo we hate thatcher ?.
20 Nov 2024 17:08:25
Vale was it a lorry you drove. or a milk float ??.
20 Nov 2024 17:12:11
Longton and Mier is hardly the wilds of Staffordshire Stokey ???.
20 Nov 2024 17:15:34
Full of sh1t carlo, how many farmers do you know and how many do you know who's vote has gone in? Your a scarecrow not a politician. And skegs i'm sure it was thatcher that brought milk back. ain't milk great ? carlo don't tell me ya got moles in f kn downing st now.
20 Nov 2024 17:29:19
I agree Balloons but I’m about ten miles from there mate. My nearest towns are Stone and Eccleshall both about 5 miles away. I guess Cotes Heath ( about 3 miles away) has a church and a letter box neither of which I use……. ??.
20 Nov 2024 18:06:23
Now the government has shafted the farmers they will do a trade deal with the orange saviour. Chlorinated chicken in exchange for parts of our NHS. Sounds like a fair swap.
20 Nov 2024 18:41:03
And he'll make us pay for it ourselves.
20 Nov 2024 18:55:44
Agriculture workers one of the poorest paid group in UK, it’s them that do the graft, you never find any farmer voting Labour and farm labourers would never admit to voting Labour they daren, t.
I, m afraid anyone using the NHS must surely realise that it is in free fall and so desperately needs regeneration, from tax dodgers, all my life I, ve payed my taxes all my life and cannot see any reason why others shouldn’t, people with moneynearly always try to dodge tax, tax havens, no dorms ect.
Clever accountants see to that, most people can’t afford one, save your sympathy for the workers.
CARLO.
20 Nov 2024 19:02:51
It’s all propaganda friends particularly concern the £22 billion Black Hole inherited from the Tories. It’s like George Osbournes austerity policy.
Three things you should know folks
Firstly the Office for National Statistics can only find a £9 billion deficit
Second, to put it in perspective, the Governments receipts last financial year was £1.1 Trillion
Lastly, every Government has handed over a Black Hole to its successors since the Premierships of Disraeli and Palmerston in the reign of Queen Victoria.
I’m currently reading “ Ten Years To Save the West” by Liz Truss. I had it bought for me and it’s second hand but it does confirm to me why the country is in such a mess with the dire quality of our political leaders…….
20 Nov 2024 19:21:20
Sorry skegsjay, 40 years driving a articulated lorry. A milk float might have been a better option with hindsight, early start but early finish, unlike early start late finish day in day out.
20 Nov 2024 19:28:47
Live in Lincolnshire boys know plenty of farmers from pub days none of them skint lol get over yourselfs and worry more about pensioners that have had winter allowance stopped no bloody money.
20 Nov 2024 19:48:05
Simple to me, if I was somehow lucky enough to be given a million pound inheritance I would have to pay the tax. Should be no different for the farmers.
20 Nov 2024 19:56:05
Yay- I can disagree with you at last Stokey! Personally, I can't stand most farmers and their arrogant attitudes.
Of my 55 years on this planet I have lived in cities for a total of 8 years. For the rest of the time I've lived out in the sticks. Growing up in a remote house in Gloucestershire, the local (landowner) farmer allowed fox-hunting on his land. The Duke of Beaufort Hunt's dogs would, on occasions, rampage around our garden terrorising our own cats and dogs. I remember we once had a terrified and exhausted fox sheltering from the hounds by our back door as I shouted at them to get away as a 15/ 16 year old teenager.
Tenant farmers aren't much better. We've had chicken s*** spread to our back wall without any notification and flat refusals from two tenant farmers to dog-walk on their rented land. Not to mention the speed they drive their unladen tractors through our current village.
No, I have no sympathy for farmers. They've played the 'custodians of the countryside' card to death. They're just doing a job as millions of others are. I don't buy all these sob-stories of 'having to do other jobs to make ends meet' either. How many millions of households in the UK are having to do the same thing? Why should farmers be any different?
They deserved to be taxed to the hilt like the rest of us.
20 Nov 2024 20:10:33
Exactly mv never have I met a skint farmer in my life but I do have a elderly neighbour I after check on who spends most of time in bed because it's warmer in there and they don't after put electric on get a grip.
20 Nov 2024 20:29:03
Totally agree legless obviously most of these posters don't know real farmers and people that are desperate and working and still paying there taxes need to realise this money some of this money is going to the NHS you know where you get your surgery and are looked after remember that next time you go for a operation that will probably save your life or someone you love.
20 Nov 2024 20:35:07
Now then legless I can see your point of view towards Tennant farmers. My wife and I spent many years house sitting for friends who lived on a lord's estate in the Cotswolds, I met most of the tennant farmers on the estate and one thing was obviously they were crap scared of their master. Do as they were told or out they went. My friend owned his own farm, he didn't have time to do two or three other jobs. He did have to take time off when he had a heart attack. He's one of the kindest friends I've ever had.
20 Nov 2024 20:56:43
MV mate it’s a skewed assessment with farmland value rated at £10 thousand an acre. So even a small farm of 100 acres is a million straight off. Then you add in necessary equipment, barns, cattle stalls, milking machines etc and you soon have a big inheritance to be taxed. Most farms are bigger than 100. The rateable value is ridiculous.
Legless, mate, seems like you got a raw deal as farming neighbours. But that’s personal rather than financial. There’s the added point about food security, especially as we increasingly import grain with climate change and the war in Ukraine ( the breadbasket of Europe).
I agree with the arrogant attitude of some of the richer farmers. I remember many years ago going to see Mike Harding in concert at De Montfort Hall in Leicestershire. He had a row over walking his dog over land owned by a posh d”ckhead who said “ This is my land. My ancestors fought for it”.
Mike tied his dog to a tree and said “ OK, well I’ll fight you for it then. “ ???
Historically, the land is owned by 20 aristocracy plus the Royal Family inherited since the Norman invasion.
The big problem is that if farmers are forced to sell land then it affects food production and land bought by builders and property developers which will destroy rural communities.
As for pensioners heating allowance cancellation Skegs I’m not moaning about it because I can afford it. But there are proud pensioners who won’t want to be means tested for it and/ or can’t manage the online applications so they’ll do without. Hence many will suffer and some will die from hyperthermia. Already thousands are in relative poverty according to the Governments own stats. It’s particularly disgusting because Starmer and his minions made a big play pre election on the Tories treatment of pensioners and how they would change that.
Their treatment of farmers is taken from page 1 of the Marxist handbook “ Destroy the individual farmers and force the survivors into a collective. You know, like Stalin which caused the great Famine in Russia and Ukraine in the 1930s when at least 5 million starved to death.
20 Nov 2024 21:02:03
Skegs your neighbours aren't alone my wife and I have lost our winter allowance, we haven't put on the heating yet as it's supposed to be warming up over the weekend. We can talk till the cows come home about the farmers plight, the way I see it you have a pecking order tennant farmers at the bottom family farmers then the big land owners at the top. This tax doesn't affect the tennant nor will it affect the big land owners, they know how to play the game, it's the small private ones who will get shafted. It's just a land grab for mad man milerban to play out his deranged fantasy.
20 Nov 2024 22:27:52
Anyone out there who has visited numerous farms (both owned and tenanted) as I have will realise how much money they have in assets sat in their car park and barns.
I'm sure anyone living in a council flat, equally 'cash poor' as (apparently) farmers are, would give anything to swap places with them.
Farmers have always been whingers in this country, as they are in France. I now live in Cornwall - forget the farmers, it's the fishermen who are being screwed and having to declare themselves bankrupt.
21 Nov 2024 03:11:13
Valid point legless, but you can't eat a tractor. and as for someone living in a council flat they may well be on all the benefits going. but I'm in total agreement with you on the fishermen, past and I'm quite sure this government have and will shaft them and sell them out to the EU. i must admit living in a land locked county one does forget the sorry plight of the fishing industry.
21 Nov 2024 23:39:08
Some fair points, but I see some right wing thinking amongst us, and a little left wing. The farmers and fishermen voted for brexit, thinking there was a pot of gold just waiting. They were making a good living but never satisfied, they listen to false promises, remember that. We are in quere street and its not by any means looking brighter.